Thursday, November 1, 2012

Who Threw Israel Under The Bus Debate

Below is a debate about a common Mitt Romney shot that Obama has thrown Israel under the bus. I've added two links that I did not add to my Facebook debates but make my point perfectly. The first link is from the Council on Foreign Relations and the second is from Commentary Magazine's Jonathan Tobin a regular on conservative news outlets like Fox.
http://blogs.cfr.org/cook/2012/10/03/the-u-s-israel-relationship-whats-love-got-to-do-with-it/
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/10/24/whos-been-pressuring-israel-both-parties/

You and Yoel Moskowitz like this.
Alex Hochberger Unfair defense, while it's true that no Democratic President has ever strong armed Israel, it's also true that no Democratic President has ever strong armed anyone! :)
Jonathan Zucker haha... very funny. However, I wonder if Osama bin Laden would agree. BAM! :)
Ronnit Feiler I'm sure your cousin is a very nice person as I know you are. But the article is trying too hard to manipulate with facts that in no way change the reality. Whatever old facts we dig up will not change the current truth which is that Obama is in no-way a friend of Israel. If Americans want to vote democrat because they believe in good-old American democratic ideals, and feel that they are good for America, they should by all means do so. But trying to pretend that they are voting for Obama to help Israel is just wrong.
Jonathan Zucker Hi Ronnit- I will not argue that Obama and Netanyahu are buddy buddy. I know many fellow Likudniks who also think Netanyahu is an insufferable prick. But that's besides the point.
I am curious as to why you think that Obama has not been good for Israel.
Alex Hochberger In terms of "get level" getting Israel, just listen to Obama's words at the Debate. Romney went to Israel, fundraisers and all, part of a major campaign. Israel is a part of the First world, a wealthy and important ally to Governor Romney. Senator Obama visited Israel and went to the Holocaust Museum. To President Obama, Israel is about dead Jews and past evil, not a major wealthy and important middle east ally.

In terms of policy, there isn't a huge gulf, Obama's been fine on the policy side with Israel. But like his "more flexibility" comment to Russia, there is a concern that in a second term, Obama will line up more with the anti-Israel left.

Also, the rhetoric from the Administration makes it hard on Israel. The Palestinians listen to the rhetoric and think they have a friend, which takes the pressure off them to cut a deal. When they think time is on their side, they don't negotiation. Also, Obama's "stop settlement" pre-conditiion screwed it up, no PA leader can be more Dovish than the US President, so when Israel said no, the Palestinians were screwed.

Obama's been fine for Israel, but awful for dealing with the PA issue.
Jonathan Zucker " To President Obama, Israel is about dead Jews and past evil, not a major wealthy and important middle east ally." OK I have to assume you're just trying to get a rise out of me because that is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
That said, I'm
glad you agree that Obama has been fine regarding Israel. Yes, he made an early attempt and quickly realized that now is not the time. If Arafat couldn't get himself to do it, the current lack of leadership certainly means they won't do a damn thing.

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